{"id":266,"date":"2022-09-06T11:14:27","date_gmt":"2022-09-06T01:14:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/?p=266"},"modified":"2022-09-06T11:14:27","modified_gmt":"2022-09-06T01:14:27","slug":"ah-64d-cpg-dash-for-desktop-use-design","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/2022\/09\/06\/ah-64d-cpg-dash-for-desktop-use-design\/","title":{"rendered":"AH-64D CPG dash for desktop use &#8211; design"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Whilst still planning &amp; designing the full tandem AH-64D simpit,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"727\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/CPG_tandem-1024x727.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-274\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/CPG_tandem-1024x727.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/CPG_tandem-300x213.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/CPG_tandem-768x545.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/CPG_tandem.png 1140w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>AH-64D full tandem simpit<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p> I was sadly denying myself any flight time at all, so I decided to build an interim platform for short term use, whilst I also designed &amp; fabricated all the flight panels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Given the complexity of the TEDAC grips, I was pondering the viability of 2x (L&amp;R) off the shelf grips that might prove a more readily accessible alternative to those who wanted the manual dexterity but were not in a position to manufacture their own grips.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"748\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/tedac_concept-1024x748.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-275\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/tedac_concept-1024x748.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/tedac_concept-300x219.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/tedac_concept-768x561.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/tedac_concept-1200x876.png 1200w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/tedac_concept.png 1208w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>tedac concept for off the shelf joystick grips<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I threw around some ideas &amp; settled on the concept above that allowed for grips to be mounted from below in order to use existing connections &amp; mounting points. The crude system indicated the basic layout.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I had previously purchased a gladiator stick &amp; a LH kosima SCG grip with the intention of making a&#8217;collective&#8217; again using off the shelf components, but attention to detail bit me &amp; I was unable to action it as intended &amp; got caught up trying to design a replacement gimbal with a single axis travel etc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"669\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/joystick_collective-1024x669.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-276\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/joystick_collective-1024x669.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/joystick_collective-300x196.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/joystick_collective-768x502.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/joystick_collective-1200x784.png 1200w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/joystick_collective.png 1424w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>tilted (single axis) joystick as collective <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The plan was to mount the collective to the rear of a throttle so as to provide use of both fixed wing &amp; rotary wing alternatives to sim pilots. Other projects &amp; real life continued to interfere with this though &amp; it was constantly put on the back-burner. Eventually I acquired a K-51 collective, so my requirement for this item decreased in priority significantly. Recently I saw posts where someone had done exactly what i was intending, though they utilised a base that had a metal gimbal which allowed for an axis to be locked out, which is perfect, no reinvention necessary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To continue on with the full tandem pit was a test in futility, so to soothe my flying habit, I needed to come up with a solution that would allow me to fly as well as take advantage of each panel as they were created &amp; mount them to prevent them from becoming damaged within the catastrophe that is my workspace.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The criteria was pretty simple<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>it needed to be wide enough to accomodate the 2x MFDs &amp; TEDAC mounting points (1:1 scale wasn&#8217;t important)<\/li><li>it needed to provide a stow point for the keyboard when not required, but still allow for easy access.<\/li><li>the grips needed to mount from the bottom<\/li><li>there needed to be adequate dash real estate to accomodate other CPG panels.<\/li><li>the needed to be enough rigidity to support the monitor as it would consume the monitor stand normal space. <br><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Firstly I had to establish the primary dimensions of height width &amp; depth to ensure it would fit in the allocated desk space as well as accomodate all required panels. The finishing touches of top shelf &amp; front trim would come once this was done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/01-1024x683.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-277\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/01-1024x683.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/01-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/01-768x512.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/01-1200x800.png 1200w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/01.png 1311w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>the intial concept resulted in the following, very little changed from the initial concept to the final revision other than a few dimensions of the TADS &#8216;stem&#8217;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"498\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash1-1024x498.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-267\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash1-1024x498.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash1-300x146.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash1-768x374.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash1-1200x584.png 1200w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash1.png 1440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>CPG Dash &#8211; Keyboard recess<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>the monitor shelf didn&#8217;t need to be the full length of the dash so it was made only wide enough to accommodate a standard keyboard<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"553\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash3-1024x553.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-269\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash3-1024x553.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash3-300x162.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash3-768x414.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash3-1200x648.png 1200w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash3.png 1223w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>CPG dash-rear brace &amp; monitor shelf <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The rear of the keyboard recess has a vertical brace that locks in the monitor stand verticals, these also support the dash angle<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The dash dimensions were tweeked a little to ensure all panels could be positioned without over crowding, again 1:1 wasn&#8217;t a concern in this instance, only functionality<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"572\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash4-1024x572.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-270\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash4-1024x572.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash4-300x168.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash4-768x429.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash4.png 1047w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>CPG dash &#8211; panel placement<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>By utilising the joystick grips I also required the joystick base in order to get the button functionality, so after removing the gimbals from each &amp; investigating the small PCBs within the base, I managed to map out safe areas to cut the bases into sections that would allow me to also use the majority of buttons\/switches on each base, nice. Reducing these as much as possible &amp; getting the angle right to provide optimum placement\/accessibility whilst holding the grips. A little excess was allowed on the base panels so that I could drill new mounting holes if existing mounting holes\/bosses, were not obvious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"524\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash2-1024x524.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-268\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash2-1024x524.png 1024w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash2-300x153.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash2-768x393.png 768w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash2-1200x614.png 1200w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash2.png 1330w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>cpg dash &#8211; stick grip &amp; base button placement<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I actually modelled the bases on the wrong sides, so the following images are incorrect, the gladiator base should be on the LH grip (oops)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"883\" height=\"791\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash5.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-271\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash5.png 883w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash5-300x269.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash5-768x688.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>cpg dash &#8211; stick grip &amp; base button access Right grip<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>the 1st (LH) gladiator I acquired was the original gladiator (std not pro) along with the SCG  &amp; I didnt realise the grip did not seperate from the basetilise all the grip buttons so capitalising on the base encoders &amp; buttons, it was also butchered to be placed hidden behind the TADS LH grip.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"883\" height=\"791\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash6.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-272\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash6.png 883w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash6-300x269.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_dash6-768x688.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>cpg dash &#8211; stick grip &amp; base button access Left grip<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>the 2nd (RH) gladiator I acquired was when the new variants were release &amp; the standard versions were reduced, so the base is different. Still require the components in the joystick base to utilise all the grip buttons so capitalising on the base encoders &amp; buttons, it was also butchered to be placed hidden behind the TADS LH grip.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"821\" height=\"796\" src=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_pit.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-273\" srcset=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_pit.png 821w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_pit-300x291.png 300w, https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/cpg_pit-768x745.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption>CPG full simpit<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>rather than creating a throttle quadrant I have decided to retain the warthog throttle &amp; utilise it &amp; its buttons to compliment the ah64 simpit, it can also double as a fixed wing throttle should I ever turn to the dark side.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Whilst still planning &amp; designing the full tandem AH-64D simpit, I was sadly denying myself any flight time at all, so I decided to build an interim platform for short term use, whilst I also designed &amp; fabricated all the flight panels. Given the complexity of the TEDAC grips, I was pondering the viability of &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/2022\/09\/06\/ah-64d-cpg-dash-for-desktop-use-design\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;AH-64D CPG dash for desktop use &#8211; design&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/266"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=266"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/266\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":278,"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/266\/revisions\/278"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=266"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=266"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/avimator.net\/buildlogs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=266"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}